The ancestor theories

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Admin on Mon May 10, 2010 6:58 pm

What are your theories about Kaname's ancestor past? Is he running out of guilts about something?

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One theory is that Yuuki is the reincarnation of his past love, that way he is waiting for her to love him as much as the female ancestor really did and perhaps (if Hino decides to pull it even more) to remember him. She died in the past (probably being eaten by the hunters) so he ended up being alone and in despair. Rido's words in the last chapters puzzle me "What are you waiting for in this icy coffin?" he said. "You were waiting for something". Where does that refer to? Another awakening perhaps or Yuuki's birth, as he was in a slumber, can that be possible? Only that Rido does not know it because Rido was not alive back then, so he can't know that he was actually waiting for Yuuki? Does this make sense? ooooh

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Re: The ancestor theories

nuitetoile21 on Sat May 15, 2010 12:13 am

It is one possibility that Yuuki is actually the first woman Kaname had in the past. We saw until now that Kaname himself remembered his past after a while and not at once. If you remember the scene with the sand in which Kaname said that it looks familiar. Also on the titles we see Yuuki standing in the same sand. I don't think this is a ''mistake''. propably Hino gives us hidden clues.

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Re: The ancestor theories

Kanaze-Chan on Sat May 15, 2010 5:16 am

Kaname says he is the 'progenitor' -- which is another fancy word for 'ancestor'. All I can say is that Yuuki may have a small clue as to who Kaname truly is, that he isn't her beloved older brother.

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Re: The ancestor theories

Admin on Sat May 15, 2010 10:59 am

Kanaze-Chan wrote:

Kaname says he is the 'progenitor' -- which is another fancy word for 'ancestor'. All I can say is that Yuuki may have a small clue as to who Kaname truly is, that he isn't her beloved older brother.

What do you mean "a small clue?" you've just risen my curiosity...

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Re: The ancestor theories

juliet on Sat May 15, 2010 11:24 am

nuitetoile21 wrote:

It is one possibility that Yuuki is actually the first woman Kaname had in the past. We saw until now that Kaname himself remembered his past after a while and not at once. If you remember the scene with the sand in which Kaname said that it looks familiar. Also on the titles we see Yuuki standing in the same sand. I don't think this is a ''mistake''. propably Hino gives us hidden clues.

Hm, I am going to agree with you, I don't know why but sand (like the image of a man walking at the desert in the latest chapter), it is connected to Kaname's past. So Yuuki playing with the sand must have a secret meaning. But if she is the ancestor where is Zero going to fit in the picture?

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Re: The ancestor theories

nuitetoile21 on Sat May 15, 2010 12:19 pm

[quote="juliet"]

nuitetoile21 wrote:

It is one possibility that Yuuki is actually the first woman Kaname had in the past. We saw until now that Kaname himself remembered his past after a while and not at once. If you remember the scene with the sand in which Kaname said that it looks familiar. Also on the titles we see Yuuki standing in the same sand. I don't think this is a ''mistake''. propably Hino gives us hidden clues.

Hm, I am going to agree with you, I don't know why but sand (like the image of a man walking at the desert in the latest chapter), it is connected to Kaname's past. So Yuuki playing with the sand must have a secret meaning. But if she is the ancestor where is Zero going to fit in the picture?[/quote]

who cares about Zero???? sFun_tease2

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Re: The ancestor theories

juliet on Sat May 15, 2010 1:48 pm

[quote="nuitetoile21"]

juliet wrote:

nuitetoile21 wrote:

It is one possibility that Yuuki is actually the first woman Kaname had in the past. We saw until now that Kaname himself remembered his past after a while and not at once. If you remember the scene with the sand in which Kaname said that it looks familiar. Also on the titles we see Yuuki standing in the same sand. I don't think this is a ''mistake''. propably Hino gives us hidden clues.

Hm, I am going to agree with you, I don't know why but sand (like the image of a man walking at the desert in the latest chapter), it is connected to Kaname's past. So Yuuki playing with the sand must have a secret meaning. But if she is the ancestor where is Zero going to fit in the picture?[/quote]

who cares about Zero????

LOL, I can not imagine the twist that the story can take if Yuuki is the ancestor... but why is Kaname so secretive about his past? They are living together for a year now and by the way I see them relaxing on the couch, they would have had many conversations among them (he could have told her that he is the progenitor). It was not his fault what happened with Rido.

It looks like he is trying to cover himself up. Perhaps he thinks that she won't forgive him? Remember at the previous chapters when she was still human and she asked to learn about her past? He went like: "If I tell you, you will hate me or you won't forgive me...", so could be possible that he was reffering to their whole story in overall (both present and past?). Because just saying that about Rido did not make so much sense. Why to hate him? He protected her. On the other hand can this be only his insecure side speaking?

Really Kaname deep down is far too weak than what he shows, specially when is given love and affection, he is ready to crash into peaces, oh sentimental Kaname... too much cry

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Re: The ancestor theories

Kanaze-Chan on Sun May 16, 2010 6:15 am

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Kanaze-Chan wrote:

Kaname says he is the 'progenitor' -- which is another fancy word for 'ancestor'. All I can say is that Yuuki may have a small clue as to who Kaname truly is, that he isn't her beloved older brother.

What do you mean "a small clue?" you've just risen my curiosity...

He says it in one of the chapters -- I can't remember which one -- but he says it and thinks Yuuki can't hear him.. or perhaps that she's known since changing into a vampire that he isn't really her 'Loving, Adoring and Protective Onii-sama' that she knew... That's just me geek

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Re: The ancestor theories

juliet on Sun May 16, 2010 10:50 pm

Kanaze-Chan wrote:

Admin wrote:

Kanaze-Chan wrote:

Kaname says he is the 'progenitor' -- which is another fancy word for 'ancestor'. All I can say is that Yuuki may have a small clue as to who Kaname truly is, that he isn't her beloved older brother.

What do you mean "a small clue?" you've just risen my curiosity...

He says it in one of the chapters -- I can't remember which one -- but he says it and thinks Yuuki can't hear him.. or perhaps that she's known since changing into a vampire that he isn't really her 'Loving, Adoring and Protective Onii-sama' that she knew... That's just me

No I do not think that she know...if she knew she would go like affraid

Who are you? Why are you here? I am really wondering how she is going to face the fact that for a year now he is not telling her. Do you think that this may have a bad impact on their relationship?

M, I guess it depends and on what has been done in the past. But I either good or bad I believe that Yuuki is going to be shocked... sSig_what

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Re: The ancestor theories

Kanaze-Chan on Sun May 16, 2010 11:31 pm

juliet wrote:

Kanaze-Chan wrote:

Admin wrote:

Kanaze-Chan wrote:

Kaname says he is the 'progenitor' -- which is another fancy word for 'ancestor'. All I can say is that Yuuki may have a small clue as to who Kaname truly is, that he isn't her beloved older brother.

What do you mean "a small clue?" you've just risen my curiosity...

He says it in one of the chapters -- I can't remember which one -- but he says it and thinks Yuuki can't hear him.. or perhaps that she's known since changing into a vampire that he isn't really her 'Loving, Adoring and Protective Onii-sama' that she knew... That's just me

No I do not think that she know...if she knew she would go like Who are you? Why are you here? I am really wondering how she is going to face the fact that for a year now he is not telling her. Do you think that this may have a bad impact on their relationship?

Hrm.. Perhaps. We just have to wait and see, sadly >o>
M, I guess it depends and on what has been done in the past. But I either good or bad I believe that Yuuki is going to be shocked...

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Re: The ancestor theories

juliet on Fri May 21, 2010 4:32 pm

Now it's certain that Rido used the baby's blood and flesh? (if I got it right from the summary and comments) in order to awaken the ancestor because he wanted to control the strongest of all. So the theory that said that Rido was not interested in turning Kaname into a baby but interested in controlling the ancestor in his original form seems far more possible.

So how did he turned into a baby? sSig_busted

I am stucked here. I was been wondering if it was possible since the ancestors body was so destroy and he possesed a lot of powers to change himself into a baby taking a new place in this world? Do you think that's possible? For the time being I can not think of another theory.